Besides "fuck videosift":
http://www.videosift.com/video/Woman-Loses-Head-in-Suicide-Bombing-Graphic#comment-416620
a rickroll:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Rare-Shooting-During-Filming-of-the-Muppets
a snuff film:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Woman-Loses-Head-in-Suicide-Bombing-Graphic
a clear case of upvoting only one person:
http://www.videosift.com/member/DrAlcibiades/votedup
.. what the fuck does it take to get banned from here?
Why .. after they post a snuff flick are they not banned? Mr Fisk is this a friend of yours? Why is it OK for a member (probationary or otherwise) to just vote for one person? Why did you vote for his snuff flick and his other submission right after he posted it (or at all)?
Explain it to me.
http://www.videosift.com/video/Woman-Loses-Head-in-Suicide-Bombing-Graphic#comment-416620
a rickroll:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Rare-Shooting-During-Filming-of-the-Muppets
a snuff film:
http://www.videosift.com/video/Woman-Loses-Head-in-Suicide-Bombing-Graphic
a clear case of upvoting only one person:
http://www.videosift.com/member/DrAlcibiades/votedup
.. what the fuck does it take to get banned from here?
Why .. after they post a snuff flick are they not banned? Mr Fisk is this a friend of yours? Why is it OK for a member (probationary or otherwise) to just vote for one person? Why did you vote for his snuff flick and his other submission right after he posted it (or at all)?
Explain it to me.
Mr. Fisk joined around the same time when the whole sock puppet scare took place, so he should know full well the consequences of sock puppetry. One man's opinion.
Dr. Al has burned his return privies.
I would have banned him too, but i was asleep....
I discarded his PQ video
it had the tags
puppies, gay, fuck videosift, stupid, wtf
Not welcome here
[/ Madeye moody]
Thanks must be offered up, to the inspiration for the siftquisition.....Jeff Hoard, professional
bloggermuckraker!, extraordinaire!!!!I'm for a ban, pending an investigation into the IP logs & vote timing. No bronze star should protect you if you cheat (i.e. use sock-puppetry) to get it.
[Edit: This comment was written in response to MrFisk's above comment, in which he claimed he "must just have a groupie," or some tripe. He has since edited his comment to remove that phrase.]
I find DrAl's singular devotion to voting only for MrFisk's videos and his own to be highly suspect, to the point where I find MrFisk's professed ignorance of sock puppetry to be, quite frankly, unbelievable. I say * ban.
Now would other members come forward with their opinions, please? I'd like to have a consensus before judgment is passed. We need more people to weigh in on this.
1. Jonny's original Sift Talk post about sock puppets, from April 3, 2008:
http://www.videosift.com/talk/Sock-Puppet-Voting
2. Dag's follow-up to Jonny's post, simply yet effectively titled "No More Sock Puppets", from April 10, 2008:
http://www.videosift.com/talk/No-More-Sock-Puppets
Both of those were posted well after MrFisk became a member, on Feb 20, 2008.
I think members who use sock puppets should banned. Hopefully a new policy will be developed because of this, and entered into the FAQ.
In the mean time, could we please hear from some more members?
We all know this can be manipulated by the wily IP spoofer.
The reason this is important is, everyone introduces somone to the 'sift, but most of the time they will look and vote for others, DrAlcibiades only voted for you - 3 days 26 votes. That makes him a sockpuppet. Not voting for other members videos is not cool, and will break the voting system, in short if you have some one who ONLY votes for you and no one else, its not good for videosift.
I know some people here have friends who vote for their videos almost always, but do they do it almost immediately after their buddies post their videos, every time? I doubt it. So if we could have the times when the votes were placed and the times when the videos in question were posted it might help us better determine guilt or innocence.
http://www.videosift.com/admin/video/Woman-Loses-Head-in-Suicide-Bombing-Graphic
Their votes break down like this:
DrAlcibiades 2008-05-28 13:32:11
MrFisk 2008-05-28 13:32:41
But on this one:
http://www.videosift.com/admin/video/Rare-Shooting-During-Filming-of-the-Muppets
It's like this:
DrAlcibiades 2008-05-31 19:07:21
MrFisk 2008-05-31 19:12:01
WTF? My videos are hella dope! I've been providing solid, quality embeds since I've joined. Prove me wrong. (Don't mention that Templars vid though). So, what exactly am I defending myself against? Do tell. I'd be much obliged.
the question is whether or not DrA is or was your sock puppet...
Now, with that in mind, DrA and Fisk might have done the same thing, i.e. upvote for already knowing content. Now, if that is that case then they need to seek out new friends in other crowds. I hardley think that is the case here though. Seems like a Sock Puppet to me. Dag, if we could get 1 or 2 more video time stamps like ^that one, then I think we have a pretty open and shut case.
Good point. On this post:
http://www.videosift.com/admin/video/Woman-Loses-Head-in-Suicide-Bombing-Graphic
Their votes break down like this:
DrAlcibiades 2008-05-28 13:32:11
MrFisk 2008-05-28 13:32:41
But on this one:
http://www.videosift.com/admin/video/Rare-Shooting-During-Filming-of-the-Muppets
It's like this:
DrAlcibiades 2008-05-31 19:07:21
MrFisk 2008-05-31 19:12:01
Okay, so one vote is only 30 seconds after the other, and the other is only 4 minutes and 40 seconds after the other. Both are pretty damn close, in my book. Too close to be coincidence, if you ask me. What say the rest of you?
To summarize, here is the evidence:
1. DrAlcibiades only joined on 5/28/08, yet made a beeline straight for MrFisk's videos and voted for them all.
2. DrAlcibiades has ONLY voted for MrFisk's videos and his own, and NO ONE ELSE'S.
3. When MrFisk posted new videos after DrAlcibiades joined, DrAlcibiades was right there to upvote them, one only 30 seconds after posting, and the other in less than 5 minutes after posting.
4. Sock puppetry was clearly and openly discussed TWICE since MrFisk joined, so I find it extremely difficult for anyone to claim ignorance of sock puppetry prohibition.
I say the evidence is strong enough for a conviction, and I ask that MrFisk be banned. We need to put our foot down about sockpuppetry. The FAQ also needs to be updated. A clear explanation of what sock puppetry is and that it's grounds for a permanent ban needs to added.
So what do the rest of you say? Clearly ashes2flames has spoken, and so have I. That's two votes for conviction and banination. The rest of you are also in the jury. Please cast your vote.
Give him some time to prove that it is a coincidence or more likely a friend of his with similar tastes. Remember they may both have seen the videos on the original host and uploaded/upvoted quickly thereafter.
No ban vote from me.
It's now at 2 for, and 1 against.
More votes, please.
I didn't start visiting Sift Talk until I was a gold star, even missing the congratulatory post about me. So, MrFisk may not have ever seen anything about sock puppetry on this site, or on the Internet.
That said, any responsible person should realize the dishonesty of having sock puppets. But since there is no clear, definitive policy about having them in the FAQ, I say that we give MrFisk a chance to explain his sins before banning him. I am ready to expel him from the site if there is a certain lack of repentance.
Still 2 for, 1 against.
Might add to the cirumstantial evidence file...
Gone for a couple a days and y'all drop a pair of righteous bombs, that's the spirit!!!
Thanks must be offered up, to the inspiration for the siftquisition.....Jeff Hoard, professional
bloggermuckraker!, extraordinaire!!!!How the hell did I get brought into this? and I'm no longer a professional blogger.... I used to be one (May 07-March 08) with AOL, had a great time, made some scratch, bashed some neocons etc... But I have since moved on.
/PM me to pre-order my biopic
Can we get some timestamps for when Fisk posted his queued videos to when the Dr. Voted on them?
Ok, the self-appointed arbiter has taken the reigns, good on him-I say the shitfucks die in a pool of their own commingled bodily fluids, but hey, that would not be fair. My votes' ban, if they(he, she, it) can't come up with a better defense.....than simply, "Yo man...but....and then...and but I..."
Come on fellas', come clean or deliver closing arguments, and we'll make more rules we can fuck the next posers with, thanks for the primmer, bob's yer fucking babysitter!!!
Place choggie's preliminary torch on the hut, in the ban column.
-edit -Fed?? How did you get dragged into this??....Yer whining about having gone through scrutiny of the same, every time you are able, when you whipped out yer pecker, that's why too....
But I'm pretty sure that translates to: "Ban him if he can't defend himself better."
Even all that wouldn't be so bad if DrAlcibiades actually had a record of voting on videos other than his own and MrFisk's. So I suppose the question is was MrFisk and active participant in all of this (using a sock puppet, or more or less using someone else as a sock puppet), or was he simply ignorant his friend was engaging in the sort of activity that circumvents the whole point of the voting system.
At the moment I've not seen enough evidence to suggest MrFisk was an active participant, so I'll not vote for a ban.
On another note, if you're going to have a friend join and you're both going to vote for each other's video's (Which seems a reasonable thing) strongly encourage them to actually vote for other videos. The whole point of video sift is for the community as a whole to sift the videos not for small cliques to only vote for each other.
"Welcome home Mr. Doctor Asshole Twins....welcome home!"
If he's not a retard, then he knew what was going on, and those vote times are a bit too close to be coincidence. Let's not go out of our way to be credulous here, folks.
Plus, I survived the Siftquisition and turned out alright... I think...perhaps...could be argued I guess...
I agree Fisk will have to provide a better explanation here, perhaps the Dr is simply a friend of Fisks who only visits to see Fisks videos. But I dunno, we'll have to see.
and friends???....they are like breaths you take, * quality is when they become much more, allies are hard to come by-These(this) sniveler had better pay some respect-maybe he's still at the Burger King, cleaning the fryer-
(hate-speech)for the avatar, (ad hom) for his absence thus far, and (racist jabs) at his mother...(the reason for the poor guy's existence)
Dr. Alcibiades's been banned. Mr. Fisk has a history of questionable actions and ties to Dr. Alcibiades. I say let's grant Mr. Fisk the opportunity to show some good contributions on VS, knowing full well several/many are watching closely with their finger on the banination button.
ie, let this be a lesson, guilty or not. My vote is for them to remain members.
Edit: I see now that Bronze members are immune from banning. Well then, I think it may be worthwhile to consider silver and above being immune. but yes, this should be a separate Sift Talk post. I concur with myself.
Anyway - maybe the rules on Sock Puppetry and Self-Linking can be clearer at + after sign-up?
And maybe the Bronze star Rookies (and below) can get a 'tip of the day' box that sits below the donate box - that is just a picture of the SiftBot with it's glasses peering down revealing a communist eye that follows them? (I suppose user VideoSiftBannedMe could make the image...)
However I have used my friend's computer before and I showed him some stuff on Videosfit and logged in after him - which would be hard to disprove as SockPuppetry (same IP, same computer, different accounts) if our actions were questionable and warranting as much attention as this SiftQuisition.
Here's the thing: If two "friends", such as DrAl and MrFisk are upvoting each other (from two different IP addresses, mind you), would this happen only minutes or even seconds apart? Here is that scenario, if you buy into it:
(MrFisk and DrAlcibiades both are logged into Google chat)
-DrAl: Hey Fisk, you ready to post that video?
-Fisk: You bet buddy. I just posted it, in fact.
-DrAl: Cool, I'm on it. There, I just upvoted it.
-Fisk: Great. This makes up for the ridiculously long 4 minutes and 40 seconds you took to upvote my last video.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but DrAl was here for only three 3 days, and in that time he only voted for ONE user outside of himself, and then we have time stamps that are too close together to be regarded as coincidence. And for the life of me, I can't see anyone else here having a friend who would slavishly sit at their computer just to upvote a friend's video the second it was posted. And then MrFisk acts like he never heard of sock puppetry!? Unless his first day on the internet was also his first day here, that simply strains the limit of credibility.
I believe in giving the benefit of the doubt when there is reasonable doubt to begin with, but do you really believe there is "reasonable" doubt in this case?
And Korons has upvoted Tofumar's post there.
And within a few minutes of each other.
Haha, I'm just a fan of cynical irony. Just pokin' yas in the ribs there
stupidityirony check out MrFisks recent upvotes. It'd be nice to hear a real explanation (beyond all my videos are awesome), but I doubt that's going to happen. So I guess count me in for bannation in the likely event that doesn't materialize..
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Naaaah!
EDIT: To be crystal clear, I don't think Tofumar has anything to do with MrFisk, in case my sarcasm was somehow misconstrued. In a charged litigious atmosphere as this, I believe it's important that my words are not misinterpreted in any way, shape, or form.