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VideoSift 3.3 Roundtable
posted by dag 1 month 3 weeks ago • 945 views
Yes, it's that time again- give us some ideas for VideoSift 3.3. This could be something that you feel is broken and needs to be fixed or features that you would like added. All ideas are welcome and will be considered for inclusion in our next update.

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written by jonny  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Get rid of overall # of views and replace with the # of unique user views. It seems many folks are still confused by how the default queue sort order works. Actually, just don't "hide" the info in a tool-tip. Just spell it out on the same line.


written by jonny  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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- Being able to change/delete votes. Would make sense to put a time limit on it, something like 72 hours after which the vote would be permanent. I've seen quite a few situations where people said they accidentally voted the wrong way so this could help.

- Possible invocations could just as well be links triggering the respective invocation. Would result in less comments and rss feed updates.

- The unique views problem jonny mentioned regarding video views seems to apply to profile views as well.

- Maybe limit the number of videos that are listed in "Top Sifts" from the same channel. Right now there are about 10 Sarah Palin videos in there. A little more variety might be nice.


written by campionidelmondo  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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I like that we confined "top comment, new sift talk posts, etc." into one box. The only problem is, I can't control this box. I think it'd be cool if I could cycle through these as I'd like to. Maybe a little "next" button that'd force the box to cycle to the next. Also, shorter top vids time (unless it's my vid)


written by rottenseed  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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- a "validate embed code" box accessible other than on the submit page (because when your queue is full it´d be a great tool to check if what you want to queue next is already there)

- more stats in general: how many videos total on the site, how many dead and so on, maybe a cast o meter that shows real time vote activity.

- I would also love to see something like a similarity meter that matches your votes with those of other members.


written by maatc  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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1. Top rated comments box.
2. Ability to search by channel.
3. Discard that fucking Jake video.
4. A minimum of a confirmation dialog when downvoting a video.
5. Ability to change a vote would be nice given a time frame. Many times I've voted early and then regretted it because of the last bit of video.
6. Bi-monthly blowjobs from blankfist
7. A votemerge system. Whether it's from a comment (not technically feasible, I know) or a Diamond ability to actually edit how many votes a video has - whether they be empty votes or actually tied to a sifter. Make it peer-reviewed by up to three other diamonds or an admin. There could be a link to the dupe showing where the votes came from. You guys are smart, you can think of something.
8. Anal probe Wednesdays


written by MarineGunrock  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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>> ^jonny:
searching by channel

as stated before: even better when you can search in 2 or 3 or more selected channels, so one can search e.g. all dark mystery shortfilms or all parody meme comedy posts..

A really great feature would be a neighbour system (cf. last.fm)/similarity meter..

And I'm all for more/better stats!




written by Eklek  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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I think I'm in the minority on this one, but bring back the requeue! Make it a button, and give it a limit of two or three.

Also, dupe detection should probably be better in the submission process. Maybe have more than five videos in the possible duplicate submission screen? I don't know, I'm not a scientist.

Also, I recall a sift talk post from a few weeks back where someone suggested having Xbox Live style achievements. That might be neat.


written by Sarzy  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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>> ^Eklek:
>> ^jonny:
searching by channel

as stated before: even better when you can search in 2 or 3 or more selected channels, so one can search e.g. all dark mystery shortfilms or all parody meme comedy posts..


Absolutely! In fact, if it's possible to have multiple keywords in the channel selection box, how about in the submitter box as well. So, for instance, I could search for all music vids posted by eklek, kulpims, and farhard to get my fix of really weird shit.





written by jonny  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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I don't want to beat a dead horse but again...

I always say you can't go wrong with more kittehs.


written by Ryjkyj  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Oh, and we still need a drunk box.


written by MarineGunrock  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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SiftCrack


written by Farhad2000  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Can we have a 'Submitted on (mm/dd/yy)' on all videos so its easier for Gold Stars to *discard a dupe without wondering if its close which one was posted first - not which was was published first (also when you * promote a video to unsifted its time restarts which can make things even worse)



A "HQ" embed button add the &ap=%2526fmt%3D18 to the end of the video would be great (tricky I know) as they are LOADS of videos out there with this feature (the picture is better but often the sound is the biggest improvement, louder and crisper)

Of course, caution to the user to make sure the video does have a HQ embed version or else the "This Video Is Not Available" will appear.

Re-evaluate the perks of 25Silver 500Diamond and 1000Crown
25 silver member can have animated avatars

NSFW shows a (!) VideoSift Logo logo if invoked to stop people being concerned about a dodgy looking thumbnail


More fancy UI! Maybe for v4.0 but it has been said before that visually we should be even better

another piece of info in the 'profile' section of each user
quality comments (number) browse
last embed fixed (number) days ago
User (Here!/Not Here! Online/Offline)

Beggars Canyon should have a small section of the UI dedicated (like a top rated comment box at top of page) to encourage people to view BC more

Profiles could have the option (selected by profile option) of showing a FaceFuck style bulletin of what that person has done

Zonbie left a comment on Dag's Profile
Zonbie posted a commnt on sifttalk VideoSift-35-Roundtable
Zonbie posted a new video (blah blah)
etc etc you get the idea

Ramble off...shutting doooown


written by Zonbie  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Discarding this post - discard requested by member Zonbie.


written by siftbot  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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*return! sifty! Don't make me slap you!
arse burgers!


written by Zonbie  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Only videos that have been sent to Sift Talk for discussion may be returned - ignoring return request by Zonbie.


written by siftbot  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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*flibble!


written by Zonbie  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Zonbie cannot promote this post because Zonbie does not have enough Power Points. (You can always purchase more Power Points.)


written by siftbot  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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*flabble!


written by Zonbie  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Only published, queued, or discarded videos, published Sift Talk posts, and published blog posts may be promoted - ignoring promote request by Zonbie.


written by siftbot  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Uh, *discuss?


written by MarineGunrock  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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bollocks!
sorry guys - thats annoying...I cannt find a way to get this back!

um maybe another idea for v3.3? (
ability to undo discard


written by Zonbie  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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*discuss


written by Zonbie  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Long
as a channel

please,
for the love of g*d

Long
as a channel.

Some know what I'm talking about.


written by doogle  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Some way to hide Siftbot announcements from Comment counts would be amazing, relegating him to Sysops type information, after 2 years of reading the same lines over and over I just think its time to shelf it.

Power to Crowns to clean up the sift by replacing Embeds (Very often I find HD copies of some Music videos that just itch me to replace) and deleting comments (Look at Zonbies spaz out here for example, a forum admin could snip and tidy this up).


written by Farhad2000  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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1. Thumbnails for all the preferred video hosts. Not every video host on the planet, mind you, but the just for the 16 preferred hosts. Hosts that currently need thumbnails (as far as I know):
- Yahoo
- Dailymotion
- Google
- Myspace
- The Onion
- Video Jug
- SpikeTV (formerly iFilm)

2. New video hosts so that sub-Gold members have more choices. A few suggestions:
- Veoh
- Funny Or Die
- blip.tv
Make sure they get thumbnails too if they're brought on board.

3. Get rid of Fora.tv and V-Social as preferred hosts. No one ever uses them.

4. Add a new tab along the top row next to "Blogs" called "Other Features." Here's what I'd like to see in the "Other Features" section:
- tag cloud
- Top 15 new comments
- and other small features that members would like to see


written by kronosposeidon  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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HTML Syntax warnings? When we forget a " or a lessthan or greater than delimiter?

Bulk discards ... for original poster, profile comments... and sift talks.


written by NordlichReiter  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Last time you added the ability to view comments w/o needing to open the entire video page. Could we have the ability to add comments in that drop down box too? We could fly through sifts then w/o having to manage as many windows.


written by swampgirl  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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1. *bans for any mention of A$$ gravy.

2. Bring channel ranking back, like when they were still collectives and I could know that Lies was ranked 44th.

3. Make convenient bold, italics, strike-through, etc. buttons for the HTML illiterate/incompetent.

4. Let non-charter gold stars and above pick a color for their names. Charters can still retain bolded name privileges.


written by Fjnbk  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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dag cannot be banned because star accounts are immune to banination - ignoring ban request by Fjnbk.


written by siftbot  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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How about on our member page you give us the ability to list some of our favorite members, with links to each member's page. That would make it easy for us to communicate with other members. Sort of like a contact list for your email.


written by kronosposeidon  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Like Zonbie said above and I've been saying since the 3.0 launch, stop hiding the post time once a video is published. NEVER hide the post time. We need it for judging dupes.

I'd also really like the option to block someone from leaving comments on my profile.


written by xxovercastxx  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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How about the basic necessity of keeping the submission date on a video despite it being promoted or sifted...that way we can determine which video is a dupe of what.

I think you smart guys call them "time stamps". But aren't currently stamps, more like penciled in.


written by rottenseed  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Searching by channel(s) sounds like a good idea to me.
Thumbnails for all videos -> make it so.

end communication.


written by rasch187  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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all great ideas-
SiftCrack


written by choggie  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Can we have a playlist like wot they have you YouTube? So I can build up a list of videos to watch as i browse VS. Then click play to see them one after the other.

Oh and don't mess with the way voting works. Keep it simple. You make a mistake, just live with it.

Definitely searching by channel please.


written by Deano  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Lots of good ideas - we're writing these up and some will definitely go into 3.3.

For people who say that VideoSift needs to change its aesthetics - I'm wondering what they have in mind?

We're very text based now, and I would describe the layout as "functional" because we have a lot of information to fit into limited screen space. We've stripped out things like graphical vote buttons and curvy corners for maximum information density.

If anyone has ideas around design or layout changes - how about some screen shots? A picture speaks a thousand words - and I like seeing new design ideas.


written by dag  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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An actual message system would be nice. Sending someone a message by posting in their profile works, but it would be alot nicer to have all the perks of a full-fledged messaging system.


written by campionidelmondo  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. Very solid ideas.


>> Can we have a 'Submitted on (mm/dd/yy)' on all videos
>> stop hiding the post time once a video is published. NEVER hide the post time.
>> How about the basic necessity of keeping the submission date on a video despite it being promoted or sifted

The posted date/time is and has always been available. Just hover your mouse over the "published by" type label.


>> Could we have the ability to add comments in that drop down box too?

Sorry, SG, this will never be possible for technical reasons.


written by lucky760  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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written by arvana  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Arvana: You can block channels. (Account ->filters)

And please take simplicity into consideration of you feel the need to go mucking about in the layout of the site. I like it because it's very minimalist. Other sites just have way too much going on.


written by MarineGunrock  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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^ Ah, thanks MGR -- that will definitely improve my life!

Yeah, I know, you'd think I would have figured it out for myself after 2 years here, but I never said I was smart...


written by arvana  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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And as far as the site design concerns, I'd say choose black as default background colour + more darkened panels (less bright white - more grey), and make a quick background colour switch (black or white) in the menu bar (cf. last.fm)..
are there more fans of black?


written by Eklek  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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NO.


written by MarineGunrock  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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There are a few improvements I can see in the video submission process to improve usability:
  • auto-upvote for original submitter
  • account preferences to auto-select Status and Comment Emails on submission page
  • auto-selection of channels based on keywords (relevant keyword lists provided by channel owners in channel management pages?)
  • more videos on the Possible Duplicates page (we still get a lot of dupes).



written by arvana  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Am totally a fan of black.

It kills my eyes seeing VS in all white, I changed the CSS so my background is black. Especially when you got VS open on a 24 inch LCD at night, the thing can sear your eyes off.


written by Farhad2000  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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>> auto-upvote for original submitter

Sometimes you don't want to upvote. See this.


>> I changed the CSS so my background is black

For anyone else: you can just change the main background color for yourself in account prefs.


written by lucky760  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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>> ^kronosposeidon:
How about on our member page you give us the ability to list some of our favorite members, with links to each member's page. That would make it easy for us to communicate with other members. Sort of like a contact list for your email.



I'm not in favor of that.

My name would be used so much, it would once again crash the servers. Just saying.




written by BillOreilly  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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>> ^lucky760:
The posted date/time is and has always been available. Just hover your mouse over the "published by" type label.

I never knew that. I always got confused when the time stamp resets once making it to the front page. This was always an issue when finding dupes, and I think it's very misleading. I can see some new gold star members not knowing to hover over "published by" (hell, I didn't even know that) and discarding videos they see as a dupe.

More thoughts:
1. A warning when downvoting a video. Nothing sucks more than downvoting a video you intended to upvote.
2. 1 channel creation per person.
3. Instant star point for any mention of A$$ GR@V33.
4. It would be cool if there were more privileges past the 250 diamond. I'm at a lost for ideas on that one, though. I'm no help.

I wouldn't change too much, personally, because you don't want to ruin an already good thing.




written by blankfist  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Being the liberal treehuggers we are, remember: darkening videosift could help conserve energy.

I'm not big on black or white backgrounds. How about a nice neutral grey? Sure members can select their own background color, but what about all of the accountless lurkers?


written by xxovercastxx  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Positive and Negative upvotes? For example, I upvote a lot a videos which I would not endorse. For example, when McCain has an attack ad against Obama, I upvote it for better exposure. However, I don't endorse the actual ad. It would be unfair to downvote it. But perhaps a green and red upvote arrow, with overall number of upvotes atop the total pro and neg votes? Or, for example, that crap video about Jews and conspiracy of 9/11 would be ideal for a negative upvote. Does anyone understand what I'm trying to get across? Could they explain better?
edit: Never mind.


written by MrFisk  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Coffee mug


written by swampgirl  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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turnips


written by blankfist  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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In terms of layout changes, may I humbly present (again)...

http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn258/Knemidokoptes/VideoSiftMe.jpg


written by Fjnbk  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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I've noticed that every once in a while I lose a star point. I wouldn't mention it now except that I just lost another one. I've gone through all my discarded posts and dead videos and I can't figure out why it would've happened.

Perhaps some kind of alert would be handy when stuff like this goes down?


written by Ryjkyj  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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Frequent flyer miles.


written by kronosposeidon  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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I'm-a-gonna go ahead and plagiarize a suggestion I made for 3.2:

Referring to this comment by doogle:
RE: Sharing tools

I notice that users can submit the video to Stumble Upon

Other sharing sites should be considered, and maybe lump in "Email" into a drop down of Sharing options - (I really like how they do it at the TechDirt website) and add other sharing sites as more can be integrated.

RE: "more inside"
Also, I'm sure this was intended at first, but I'll reiterate that the "more inside" cut off message when descriptions are too long should be css:show and show users right there "more" when clicked without having to take the user to a separate window.

RE: Leaving a comment
And I support being able to leave a comment right there under the video in the listing view, instead of having to go to the video link.

(I'll be following up with another from another time that may have to wait for VideoSift 4.0...)


written by doogle  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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I think the comments listed on the main page of each video should be hidden except for the latest comment posted. Then there could be an option to "see all comments" like in the main page.

This allows the most recent comment to get as much coverage as the first comment. I noticed this might help as I see quality comments could get overlooked because people don't feel like scrolling down. This could also help save on page size .


written by Tymbrwulf  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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>> ^Sarzy:
I think I'm in the minority on this one, but bring back the requeue! Make it a button, and give it a limit of two or three.

Also, I recall a sift talk post from a few weeks back where someone suggested having Xbox Live style achievements. That might be neat.

Instead of requeue, make *beg a button and limit it to three tries. Some achievements would be awesome. I'm totally an achievement whore.

>> ^kronosposeidon:
How about on our member page you give us the ability to list some of our favorite members, with links to each member's page. That would make it easy for us to communicate with other members. Sort of like a contact list for your email.

This could be automatically generated: "Who's comments have you upvoted/downvoted the most?" You'll get yourself a friend/nemesis list right there.


I like the concept of stumble upon, so I think we should steal it! I blaze over many, many videos here unless they catch my eye for whatever reason, so a "forced closer look" would not be bad. If it was made so videos you already voted for weren't included, it could be awesome.




written by gwiz665  | 1 month 3 weeks ago | CH
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*showdown

that's my idea/suggestion.
i came up with it shortly after choggie's recent unplanned vacation, actually. i was going to toss it up as a sift talk when he came back, as a welcoming gift, but i chickened out because i have some weird aversion to sifttalk, which is why in a year and a half i've only posted three. yet clearly, i have no such aversion to run-on sentences. but, i digress.

choggie said something, right at the end, about discarding things because he felt the irresistible draw of the shiny red button.

i just never perceived it that way, so his saying that made it much clearer what the problem was. because dag made it pretty clear, i had thought, that discard wasn't for intended for subjective reasons. just dupes, deaths, porn, selflinks, etc, where there wasn't any wiggle room. wiggle room meant discuss first.

so, i thought, choggie wants a shiny red button, let's give it to him.
five bucks gets you one silver bullet.

it may or may not involve the ability to change one's prior vote. if not, we can still rely on those who haven't voted yet, and we're asking them to watch and give an up or down, don't just pass.

anyone who ponies up for the special one-time invoke, forces a *showdown and sends the sift to the top, even above promotes, until the agreed-upon clock time/vote count differential is met, and the sift either stays or gets sent to discardia.

so, just everyone give this comment an up or down, no hard feelings either way, as to whether or not you want a *showdown

[edit] kp - thank you for your honesty! srsly. i was expecting more downvotes.